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Wednesday, July 02, 2008

Most Messed Up Quote Of The Week

From Southern Baptist Scholar Links Spouse Abuse to Wives' Refusal to Submit to Their Husbands:

And husbands on their parts, because they're sinners, now respond to that threat to their authority either by being abusive, which is of course one of the ways men can respond when their authority is challenged--or, more commonly, to become passive, acquiescent, and simply not asserting the leadership they ought to as men in their homes and in churches

-Bruce Ware, Professor of Christian Theology, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

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Blogger M. Steve Heartsill said...

Big Daddy Weave,

Don't you get it: we, men, can't help ourselves. And, it's not our fault--it is that darn sin problem that causes us to be the pigs we are!

Oh, you do get it! And, so do I. When will we learn to accept responsibility for our actions and stop blaming women, children, sin, or whoever else is the so-called guilty party of the month.

4:43 PM

 
OpenID dunningrb said...

"When will we learn . . ."

Perhaps when people such as Bruce Ware are no longer teaching at Baptist seminaries.

6:20 PM

 
Blogger D.R. said...

This is ridiculous! This is simply a case of trying to find a way to slander a man of God! You should be ashamed!

Bruce Ware is simply saying that there are two sinful ways to respond to the challenge of authority - acquiesce or abuse. Both are wrong! He is not saying that the reason men do this is because their authority in the home is challenged. That is a ridiculous assertion (BTW, I notice absolutely no attempt is made at relating the context).

I simply cannot believe the lengths you guys go to in order to try and make great men of God like Bruce Ware appear as crazed woman haters. It is horrendous.

It is time you guys actually started reading the Bible and applying those same teachings of Jesus that you claim we conservatives ignore.

12:13 PM

 
OpenID dunningrb said...

D.R.,

Suppose a wife rebels against her husband's authority. Suppose further that he responds by beating her. What fraction of the blame for this crime [the beating] should be placed on him, and what fraction should be placed on the wife?

2:49 PM

 
Blogger Big Daddy Weave said...

The Lengths?

We don't have to "try" at all.

Thanks for the condescension though.

Read your own Bible.

Afterwards, enjoy this article:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/june/27.40.html?start=1

If more complimentarians spoke and wrote like John Koessler, the world would be a better place!

6:14 PM

 
Blogger Big Daddy Weave said...

John Koessler

6:16 PM

 
Blogger D.R. said...

Rodney,

First, you have to read Ware correctly. He NEVER said it was the fault of the woman that men abuse them. NEVER! Show me the place he said that without some weak attempt to put those words in his mouth.

If you actually listen to his argument, he points out that sin causes the original design of God to be tainted. In regards to females that sin manifests itself in a desire to rebel against the God given role of authority by their husbands in the home and in church.

And then on the male side, men sin by either acquiescing to their wives, thus denying their God-given responsibilities, or by forcing their wives to submit in abuse.

But NEVER does he say, it is the woman's fault that men sin. NEVER! He lays the blame solely upon the man for sinning against the plan of God.

What you guys have done is found a way to manipulate Ware's words to accomplish an agenda - which is to deny the truth of Scripture, which was clearly taught by the Early Church, early Reformers, Reformers, Early Baptists, and pretty much all Christians until the sexual revolution of the 60's.

What you have to ask yourself Rodney is, "Do you believe the truth of the Bible?" Or,
do you believe that the Holy Spirit, after illuminating those texts the same way in the hearts of men and women for 2000 years has suddenly changed His mind and began to advocate a different interpretation which looks an aweful like what the culture wants it to look like?

It's ridiculous to play theological gotcha with Biblical truth.

11:11 AM

 
Blogger D.R. said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

11:28 AM

 
Blogger Big Daddy Weave said...

I'm a First Amendment kinda guy. Everyone who knows me knows that. The only comments that I've deleted on my blog in the past were spam-related.

D.R. has commented on this blog for many many months - close to two years. I've never censored D.R.

That ends today.

I'm tired of his personal attacks. D.R. can no longer comment on a blog without insinuating that the blog owner or another commenter needs to read the Bible.

I've tolerated his anger for a long time. But that's all D.R. ever offers is anger.

I invite D.R. to begin his own blog. He surely has enough opinions for that!

I appreciate all comments left here by others including the snarky Cat's Dad. However, after nearly 2 years of criticism and personal attacks, D.R. has worn out his welcome here at www.thebigdaddyweave.com

I wish D.R. well with his ministry in Athens, Georgia.

12:00 PM

 
Blogger D.R. said...

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2:41 PM

 
Blogger Cat's Dad said...

BDW,

My wife looked up "snarky" for me. Thanks for the edification.

So, you're giving d.r. the old heave-ho? You're joining a good band of censuring brothers--Bruce Prescott and "dunningrb" a.k.a. Rodney Dunning, appear to have done the same to me.

I think it was my fault though--I didn't submit.

1:33 PM

 
Blogger Cat's Dad said...

Good news! Rodney and I have reconciled. I can comment on his blog again.

I didn't want to leave the wrong impression from my prior comment.

2:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big Daddy Weave, I only saw some level headed comments from D.R. I guess they just didn't comply with your standards and we either submit to your views or get deleted. Some of that good old tolerance on display, right? Mom2

1:36 PM

 

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