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Thursday, May 08, 2008

Danny Aikin: Terrified That Bill Leonard Is A Prophet

Here's a snippet from the article written by Norman James in the Biblical Recorder:

While the BFM 2000 is sufficient to him, "for some of us, it isn't," he said. "We have some inner family squabbles that are distracting us from focusing on the real enemy, which is satan, sin, hell and evil. Instead we're fighting among ourselves. I'm terrified that we're going to make Bill Leonard a prophet."

Leonard, dean and professor at Wake Forest University Divinity School and a former professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., famously predicted two decades ago that while the "fundamentalists" now have control of the Convention, "let's see if they can run it. " He predicted they could not because it is the nature of fundamentalism to fight, if not with outside enemies, then within their own family.

Back in 1993, Bill Leonard wrote:
Bringing Reformed theology back into mainstream SBC life may be a battle which will make the fundamentalist-moderate confrontation seem like a minor skirmish. A great many very conservative Southern Baptists are shocked when they learn that the founders believed that only an elect group of sinners, chosen before the foundation of the world will be saved.
Given Southern Baptist's love of a good Throw Down, I'd say that Leonard's words from '93 may still prove to be prophetic as well. See the upcoming John 3:16 Conference.

As a side note, you'll notice in the Biblical Recorder article that Danny Aikin had this to say about the CBF:

He said the "conservative resurgence" has kept the SBC from "being worse off than we are," and that evidence is found in tracking the record of churches affiliated with the moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which, he said, "is horrible."

"Ours is bad," he said. "Theirs is horrible."

While Akin expressed appreciation for current CBF leadership he is wary that the next generation has a different agenda that will lead CBF away from its current commitments.

Why is it that the Head Honchos in the Southern Baptist Convention consistently demonstrate a rather peculiar obsession with the CBF? Insecurity? Must be something in the DNA of a fundamentalist...


Blogger D.R. said...


Seriously, are you really asking these questions of someone else?

"Why is it that the Head Honchos in the Southern Baptist Convention consistently demonstrate a rather peculiar obsession with the CBF? Insecurity?"

Really, have you not read Ethics Daily lately? Or Baptists Today? Or Bruce Prescott? Or even your own blog?

You folks talk WAY, WAY more about the SBC than SBC folk do about the CBF. Just a simple comparison of blogs or news sources shows this to be the case.

And I've noticed that you have not defended the CBF regarding its evangelism numbers - in fact, no one has. The fact that what Akin says is true and yet no one seems to care that it is true in the CBF should be quite disturbing to you and worrisome for the future of the CBF. At least Southern Baptists are willing to honestly admit there is a problem. And hey, that is step #1.

As for Reformed Theology causing a major split in the SBC, well that clearly remains to be seen. Reformed theologians like Ernie Reisinger helped Patterson and others accomplish their goals in 1979. And men like Mohler, Akin, Dockery, and Dever have done a great service to the SBC that will not soon be forgotten. And if the convention ever hopes to attract younger leaders again, the membership will have to accept a large contingency of Calvinists, such as existed at its founding.

But stern opponents of Reformed theology like Patterson and Frank Page already know that, which is why a split over Calvinism is as likely as a split over Dispensationalism.

11:13 PM

Blogger Big Daddy Weave said...

I study the intersection of Religion and Politics. Thus, I follow religion news. As a Baptist, I follow all Baptist news - especially that of the largest Protestant denomination in America. Make sense?

Now, show me one CBF employee who criticized the SBC in recent years. Show me.

The CBF is a relatively small Fellowship of Baptist churches. The 16 million member strong SBC (its leaders) spend an unusual amount of time taking potshots.

Prescott, Parham, the folks at BaptistLife, or any other moderate can criticize the SBC and they do. You're free to do the same. We ain't the Head Honchos of the CBF. Stick to the specifics of my quote.

Seriously, when is the last time that Daniel Vestal had something disparaging to say about the SBC?

As to evangelism numbers, who has them? Danny Aikin doesn't. CBF doesn't require their churches to send their ACP to them. Its safe to say that most strong CBF churches don't send an ACP to their local associations or state conventions. After all, the majority of CBF churches are located in areas of the South that don't have friendly state conventions. They have no reason to submit their numbers to anyone.

Thus, Aikin's claim is simply an assertion that is not based on facts. He's speculating.

Looking back in history, it is true that the big moderate churches baptized less folks than the big conservative churches. Thankfully, moderates have historically not been in the business of immersing children who still wear Pull-Ups. We don't Re-Baptize those who have been previously immersed at another denomination. Etc. Etc.

That doesn't mean that moderate Baptists don't do evangelism and don't do evangelism effectively. Southern Baptists are too obsessed with these statistics especially in terms of the number of baptisms.

For more on the Pull-Ups, you might consider watching minutes 7-12 of Johnny Hunt's recent sermon in which he made his Presidential announcement.

12:12 AM

Blogger volfan007 said...

"Why is it that the Head Honchos in the Southern Baptist Convention consistently demonstrate a rather peculiar obsession with the CBF? Insecurity?"

Maybe they say it because it's true?


11:35 AM

Anonymous Jeremy said...

They say "it" because "what" is true, volfan?

2:44 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the SBC is the one with the insecurity problem, what is your reason for blogging about this? I've read a lot of Bruce Prescott posts blasting SBC'ers and he has his chorus joining in. Mom2

4:43 PM

Blogger Norman said...

I share the bemusement over Southern Baptist and North Carolina Baptist obsession with CBF. I posted thoughts about it here: http://journal.biblicalrecorder.org/br/ej/entry/bike_and_frog

I will say that the North Carolina obsession is among volunteer leadership, and not staff leadership. Staff seems to understand that most "CBF" churches are also "BSC" churches and those that are CBF exclusively are simply exercising their autonomous right and responsibility to nest with a flock of similar feather.

6:25 AM

Blogger Cat's Dad said...


Trying to pull a fast one, eh?

" . . . it is the nature of fundamentalism to fight, if not with outside enemies, then within their own family."

Be an fair and equal opportunity finger pointer, BDW. As evidenced by as recent news as the Broadway BC directory and pastoral issues, it is the nature of people--moderates, liberals, conservatives, not just fundamentalists--to fight outsiders and family members. It's as old as Cain and Abel.

12:55 PM

Blogger Dan Trabue said...

tracking the record of churches affiliated with the moderate CBF churches...

I'm wondering what exactly they mean by "tracking the record..." what record? Baptisms? Money raising? What?

Sounds almost biblical, though, don't it?

"And lo, thou shalt track thy record, demonstrating thyselves to be a workman worthy of God..."


7:31 AM

Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Also sorta reminds me of Chevy Chase in Caddyshack, where some "serious" golfers are talking about keeping score with the laid back Chevy.

"You don't keep score??!!" Someone asked incredulously. "Then how do you compare yourself to other golfers??!!"

"By height," replies Chevy...

7:35 AM

Blogger Dan Trabue said...

By the way,
it's Danny Aiken,
if I ain't mistaken

(don't you like it when your comments are in verse?)

8:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Counting the Cost

14:25 Now large crowds were accompanying Jesus, and turning to them he said, 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 14:27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. 14:28 For which of you, wanting to build a tower, doesn’t sit down first and compute the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? 14:29 Otherwise,when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish the tower, all who see it will begin to make fun of96 him. 14:30 They will say, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish!’14:31 Or what king, going out to confront another king in battle, will not sit down first and determine whether he is able with ten thousand to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 14:32 If he cannot succeed, he will send a representative while the other is still a long way off and ask for terms of peace. 14:33 In the same way therefore not one of you can be my disciple if he does not renounce all his own possessions.

14:34 “Salt is good, but if salt loses its flavor, how can its flavor be restored? 14:35 It is of no value for the soil or for the manure pile; it is to be thrown out. The one who has ears to hear had better listen!”

Interesting? don't you think?

11:35 AM


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